Spooks, Doctor Who, and My Final Thoughts on Due South
My friend Cat came over Saturday night. We drank a bottle of red wine and watched two episodes of Spooks and two of Doctor Who. (Alas,
jaydk is the only person I’ve found who’ll marathon TV with me until 7am; Cat was tired at midnight!)
The night was inspired by our discovery of our mutual appreciation for Richard Armitage, so we started with Spooks. It’s one of those humorless plot-driven “action” shows that I can’t stand, but Richard Armitage was fun to watch. It was particularly amusing to see how shamelessly gratuitous the camera was in lingering over his naked torso. They know what their audience wants! I’ll probably keep watching, despite the fact that the show itself stresses me out, because… well… naked torso of Richard Armitage. What can I say? I’m shallow and he’s pretty. And at least it’s not half as bad as Robin Hood!
Then we watched “The Christmas Invasion” (which made me tear up now that I know Ten is leaving!) and “School Reunion,” because Cat’s a former Buffy fan and wanted to see evil!Giles. It continues to astound me how such a sweet, progressive, funny, brilliant, amazing show can have such a bitter, miserable, hateful fandom. And, man, I miss season two! Ten was so bright and shiny and new and happy! And, Rose!!! I love Donna, but Rose is still my absolute favorite. She is so passionate and sincere and independent and wonderful.
It’s very strange to watch “School Reunion” in light of the Doctor/Rose conclusion in “Journey’s End.” The thing that hit me most (and this is probably because we were at the end of the bottle of wine) is how unbelievably painful it must be for the Doctor to lose every single person he loves, again and again. It’s why he didn’t want to say goodbye to Sarah Jane and why he couldn’t fully bring himself to open up to Rose. It’s not about species or age or intelligence or “domestics” or fear of being “tied down”; it’s that he doesn’t want to watch her die. And that’s why I don’t object to Ten II ending up with Rose; because it’s not that the original Ten couldn’t love Rose, it’s that Ten II can love her without the overwhelming pain of knowing he’s inevitably doomed to watch her die. *sniffle* Have I mentioned recently how much I adore RTD?
And then today I finished up Due South. I’m really going to miss having new (to me) episodes to watch whenever I’m feeling down! Anyone have good fanfic recs?
My initial impressions of the show:
* I LOVE RAY KOWALSKI. I bristled at him at first, but I ended up absolutely adoring him. He’s such a dork! With his goofy glasses and his awkwardness with women and the way he almost seems to purposely sabotage his own success. He’s so needy and insecure, and although he can lash out violently, he’s got such a core of sweetness. His story is a struggle with identity and loneliness… he’s like a lost little boy, how can you not love him? The episode that really won me over is “The Ladies Man,” where he tries to save a woman he arrested from being executed. He’s got a good heart, and he tries to do what’s best even though he usually doesn’t know what it is. (I think the character improved immensely when they switched the focus from his obsession with his ex-wife–creepy!–to the underlying loneliness and identity crisis that was causing it). Callum Keith Rennie is a great actor (I forgive him for the atrocious “Chicago” accent) — he made me cry a couple of times.
* That said, I like the Fraser/Ray Vecchio relationship better. I think Ray V. is a darker character–there’s something cold and cruel and bitter in him, and knowing Fraser really changes him. Fraser awakens a nearly-lost idealism in Ray V., and Ray helps Fraser come to a more nuanced understanding of the world and its darkness. They really do grow together and change each other. In comparison, the Fraser/Ray K. relationship seemed more shallow, focused on superficial traits like Fraser as the brains and Ray as the instinct, without challenging who either of them was at the core. They seemed drawn to each other out of loneliness and because the other was there, rather than out of a genuine connection.
* I did think the transition between Rays was handled very poorly. I have to remind myself that TV was different ten years ago; they were trying to gloss over the transition and get things back to “normal” as quickly as possible, instead of developing their relationship organically and exploring the emotional consequences of the change. Fraser and Ray K. trusted and liked each other way too quickly. This is part of what I love about new Who so much, that the companions aren’t treated as interchangeable, that there’s pain and fallout and loss to deal with every time someone leaves. I’m frustrated that Due South tried to “fix” things in a single episode, instead of doing an arc over time. But, I know, ten years ago.
* I liked the earlier seasons better. It was less self-consciously quirky–later episodes like “Spy vs Spy” made me cringe. And Fraser was a more nuanced character–in the early seasons, I really felt the desperate loneliness lurking underneath his exterior, but he seemed to become a parody of himself later on, played more for comedy with less underlying sadness. (Although I did get teary eyed at the very end, when he says that he thought his father’s ghost would be permanent. Awwww!)
* They did well in developing the supporting characters. I adored Inspector Thatcher–I kind of wish she’d ended up with Fraser, even though I hate compulsory-heterosexuality endings, just because she was so damn awesome. I love the way you always got the sense that she had so many emotions and lusts and insecurities lurking beneath her ultra-tough and competent exterior–I’d have watched a show entirely about her. But I’m glad her ending was to continue being awesome and saving the world. (Although modern events put a drearier perspective on it. *sigh*)
I also came to really love Lieutenant Welsh–I’m glad we got a whole episode focusing on him, and that he became a confidant and supporter of Fraser and Ray instead of just an adversary. And same with Gardino and … Huey? Louis? The one that didn’t die. That we got to know them beyond their role as rivals to the heroes, and that they got happy endings too. The less said about Francesca the better, though. I like that they gave her some depth near the end, but I was continually frustrated at how her sexuality was simultaneously exploited and treated like a joke.
* The episodes themselves were never that great. None of the plots were anything beyond standard and predictable. The fun was in the quirky moments (when they worked) and the characterizations. And, okay, the ho!yay was a bonus. I liked Fraser and Ray V. repeatedly locking themselves in the closet early on, and all through “Mountie on the Bounty” I was thinking, “The slashers must love this one.” Dude, they kissed!
I’m sad that Fraser didn’t end up with both Rays. I mean, it was a fun irony that Ray V. fell in love with Ray K.’s ex-wife, but, honestly, it’s his relationship with Fraser that I was invested in and that I wanted to see continue. Couldn’t they have all gone off to adventure in Canada? I mean, the slashers could squee about threesomes and the writers could maintain plausible deniability and all it really would’ve taken was a bit more bonding between the Rays in the final episode. *sigh* But I am glad that Fraser and at least one Ray ended up together! Although, um, I think Ray K. is going to get sick of freezing his ass off really quickly!
So, um, anyone have fic recs? I’ve never read a word of Due South fanfic–what are the standards in the fandom?
Current Mood:
thoughtful

13 Responses to “Spooks, Doctor Who, and My Final Thoughts on Due South”
Schizo on November 10, 2008 1:17 pm | Link
Hiya there,
Sorry for stumbling in here like that but I thought it wouldn’t hurt to dump a couple due South recs here. *g*
I’ve only ever read Fraser/RayK or Ray/Ray and have to confess that I’ve never even watched the RayV episodes. Once my love for RayK and Fraser/RayK was established I’ve never felt an interest in watching the first two seasons. I adore the and-off-they-go-into-the-sunrise-together ending. ^^
I’ve got a short must-read list here:
http://i-am-schizo.livejournal.com/317725.html
You can find more recs in my LJ memories. Though I’m afraid you have to search for the individual due South rec posts as I’ve never quite gotten around to sort my fanfic recs by fandom. o.O
http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?user=i_am_schizo&keyword=Schizo%27s+fanfic+recommendations&filter=all
I’ve posted a couple recs again only recently.
:o)
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rusty-halo on November 10, 2008 1:45 pm | Link
Awesome! Don’t apologize–thank you so much! *off to check out your recs*
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JayDK on November 10, 2008 1:28 pm | Link
Hey there! I’m curious, what about Spooks stresses you out? I agree it’s definitely a genre show, but it’s a genre I like and once I get into it, I enjoy the conventions — underplaying everything, all conversations in cryptic doubletalk, double/triple/quadruple crosses, and of course, RA with no shirt — not a convention, but it ought to be! Plus I really like Ros — she’s actually one of the best female characters I’ve seen in a long time. And Harry is good too. The funny thing is, for a plot-driven show, these folks are all emo in their suppressed, show all emotions through subtext kind of way.
Awwwh to what you said about the Doctor and Rose. There is something really special about series 2; they’re both so happy for the most part, even with the subtext of what separates them. Sniff — I miss that.
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rusty-halo on November 10, 2008 1:41 pm | Link
Spooks stresses me out because it’s humorless and relentless and cynical–the world is a bad place and innocents suffer and there’s potential death around every corner. I already think in a negative cynical overly-serious way, so putting this kind of “entertainment” into my brain is bound to make me want to hide under my bed and never come out into the world!
Season two is what made me fall in love with Doctor Who; I think it’ll always be my favorite. :)
We need to get together soon for a TV night! Are you around this weekend?
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JayDK on November 10, 2008 2:32 pm | Link
Ahhh. Hmm, I think the genre nature of the show keeps me from getting too wound up by it — it’s so stylized. Plus I like action thrillers of this nature. But I know what you mean — Law & Order, actually, tends to have that effect on me. Talk about relentlessly convincing you that the human race is worthless — Spooks is practically a paean to the heroism of humanity in comparison for me.
I will be around this weekend, so let’s plan something! Now to figure out what to watch…
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versaphile on November 10, 2008 10:56 pm | Link
Start here:
http://www.trickster.org/speranza/stories.html
When you’ve finished, several weeks later, you will be spoiled for all fic ever.
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butterfly on November 11, 2008 10:39 am | Link
Oh, yes. I must definitely second this recommendation. Her dS stuff is so beautiful.
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versaphile on November 10, 2008 11:21 pm | Link
Also:
Serge Protector, a F/RayK zine:
http://www.catfoodkiller.com/dssp.zip
And my personal archive of DS fic I liked, from 1999-2001, when I had my F/RayK phase. Some of the authors are still writing, I think. Some of this is no longer online except archive.org.
http://www.catfoodkiller.com/dsfic.zip
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rusty-halo on November 11, 2008 1:34 am | Link
You are the most awesome person in the history of ever. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!
(And… OMG… 1999 fanfic headers and formatting! It’s making me all nostalgic.)
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Schizo on November 11, 2008 1:19 am | Link
OMG, sorry, I gotta chime in once again because for whatever reasons (reasons that don’t need exploring at this juncture *g*) I only read the due South part of your post yesterday.
But now I wanna join in the Rose love!! ^^ Despite being a Ten/Simm!Master fan at heart I love Rose’s relationship with the Doctor to bits because as you said, in series 2 they are so happy together. The Doctor never seems happier as when he’s together with Rose. I think of Rose as his hand to hold when he’s lost everyone and everything else. (”You know the thing you need most of all? You need a hand to hold.” - Fear Her)
I don’t mind Rose ending up with Ten II either, though in my opinion the series 4 finale was poorly executed despite the right idea. Instead of trying to have everything in the finale all at once (Davros, all the companions, Rose’s return) RTD should have concentrated on just Rose’s return. It felt too rushed. I’d have loved more Rose & Doctor moments and Jack should have gotten his reunion with Rose, too. They hardly talked to each other. Oh well, I’ve had my fair share of entries about it.
All in all, I agree wholeheartedly with you. Rose is my favourite companion, too! :o)
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rusty-halo on November 11, 2008 1:58 am | Link
OMG! Another person who ships Ten/Simm!Master and loves Rose! *clutches you* Seriously, there are not enough of us in this fandom. I keep finding Ten/Simm!Master shippers who disdain Rose, and Rosefen with no interest in the Master. I’m glad to find someone else who loves both!
I agree–Rose and Ten are so happy together that it’s a joy to watch, and so refreshing compared to the endless angst of your typical TV relationship. She is totally his hand to hold when he’s lost everything else, and I love that he shows her the stars and she embraces them wholeheartedly. (After Buffy I got really sick of heroines who endlessly pine for a “normal life” :P).
I think you’re right that “Journey’s End” had the right idea but flawed execution. I guess I was just expecting that, though–RTD always rushes through his finales. (I still think it’s far more egregious that he spent all that time building up to the Master and cast the incredible John Simm, who had the most awesome chemistry ever with David Tennant, and then WE BARELY GOT TO SEE THEM TOGETHER! IMO age!makeup/CGI Doctor is far more frustrating than anything in JE… I’ve got my fingers crossed that RTD will bring Simm!Master back for one of the specials so that we can get some proper screentime between Tennant and Simm.)
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Schizo on November 12, 2008 2:16 am | Link
OMG, yesssss preciousssss, all my fingers and everything else is crossed that we’ll get at least one special with the Simm!Master next year!!!!!
Hey, why not letting the Doctor die in his arms for a change? At least that’ll perhaps make up for the heartbreak that is knowing Ten will die on Christmas next year. *sobs*
And I wholeheartedly agree, again. Gollum!Doctor was a SHAME!!!! You’re right, they had amazing chemistry and it would’ve been made of eternal awesome to see these two get as much screentime together as possible instead of having one of them replaced by some Gollum thingy. Aging the Doctor was already bad enough if you ask me. I’m shallow and prefer the Doctor’s younger self, thank you very much! OMG, I don’t even dare to imagine how it could’ve been with even more superb slashiness for it might kill my brain and I’d have to die the happy fangirl death!!
What’s more, if I were RTD I’d have concentrated a lot more on the Doctor’s feelings when FINALLY having someone of his own kind around again that understands fully what it means to be who he is. The end of Utopia was so glorious, the Doctor’s near hysteria when he realized who Yana really is. Beautiful. *sighs*
Anyway, off to Stratford now. Oh, Prince of Denmark, here I come! *g*
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butterfly on November 11, 2008 10:38 am | Link
It’s why he didn’t want to say goodbye to Sarah Jane and why he couldn’t fully bring himself to open up to Rose. It’s not about species or age or intelligence or “domestics” or fear of being “tied down”; it’s that he doesn’t want to watch her die. And that’s why I don’t object to Ten II ending up with Rose; because it’s not that the original Ten couldn’t love Rose, it’s that Ten II can love her without the overwhelming pain of knowing he’s inevitably doomed to watch her die. *sniffle* Have I mentioned recently how much I adore RTD?
Yes. That’s exactly how I feel. The fundamental issue that the Doctor has was knowing that he was going to, at some point, watch her die. And that’s incredibly painful. This way, he knows that she can be happy and he knows that the him that’s with her gets to go through that life with her.
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