Random Thoughts on “Journey’s End”
A whole bunch of random thoughts on “Journey’s End” which don’t really deserve their own posts:
RTD’s finales. Here’s the thing: I think people are criticizing him for “bad writing” in his finales, when he’s actually making a legitimate and conscious storytelling choice. Basically, due to the format of the show and the need to draw in particular audiences, the finale has to be a spectacle. It’s not about long meaningful exploration of the characters; it’s about wrapping everything up with lots of big bangs. But to counter this, RTD puts all that character exploration in the episodes before the finale. Everything you’re complaining is missing? Just look for it in the episodes that immediately precede the finale:
* Season two: “Fear Her” was the big final exploration of the relationship between the Doctor and Rose. She’s his hand to hold, their senses of humor mesh, they’ve become ridiculously flirty and comfortable together, and Rose has become a hero in her own right, capable of saving the day when the Doctor is out of the picture. “Army of Ghosts” and “Doomsday” are mostly about Daleks and Cybermen stomping around. If you wanted more Doctor/Rose exploration, you weren’t going to get it, because that came before; this is the conclusion, the Bad Wolf Bay scene at the end.
* Season three: “Utopia” was the big Doctor/Jack reunion talk. “Sound of Drums” was the big Doctor/Master reunion phone-sex. “Last of the Time Lords” was… a whole lot of crack, followed by the conclusions: the Master’s death and Martha and Jack leaving. But if you went into LotTL expecting big meaty exploration of the Doctor/Master issues… you were left quite wanting.
* Season four: “Midnight” was an exploration of why the Doctor needs companions and of the dark side of his effect on humans. “Turn Left” was an exploration the Doctor’s impact on the universe, of Donna as a character and her potential for awesome, and of how Rose has come into her own as an adventurer and universe-defender. “The Stolen Earth” was mostly set-up for the finale and introductions of the various returning companions. The big thing explored was via the Harriet Jones scenes, of how the Doctor has empowered these people to fight and die for him.
“Journey’s End” didn’t get into big meaty exploration of much, which I’ve seen lots of complaints about, but that’s because it was in the setup episodes before. This was conclusions: Davros reveals the Doctor’s soul, the Doctor sees the companions off, sends Rose to the AU, wipes Donna’s memory, and ends up alone. An exploration of the various nuances and complications of these situations comes in the leadup episodes, not in this one itself. Which, yes, makes it feel rushed, but that’s because it’s a finale and the kids are supposed to be cheering the special effects. :P At least the exploration is there, if you just look a bit earlier.
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Dalek Caan is the most adorable thing ever. I already have a problem about Daleks, which is that I know they’re supposed to be terrifying genocidal monsters, but they are just so damn cute. I just want to pet them and scratch behind their funny antennae things that look like ears. And they’re always so hysterical and frantic, I can’t help it, it’s like they’re socially awkward puppies. And then you add BATSHIT INSANITY and throw in a dash of REDEMPTION and you get Dalek Caan. And he giggles like a maniac and he’s got all these flailing tentacles and OH MY GOD HE’S SO CUTE I CAN’T STAND IT. At least I’m not the only one with this reaction;
peasant can’t wait to get her hands on a fluffy Dalek Caan toy.
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I think Donna’s memory wipe was a brilliant story-telling choice. Not because I think it’s good for her; hell no, I think it’s creepy and horrible and tragic. But I don’t think RTD was just being sadistic; he was doing a bunch of good things: 1) Leaving the option for Catherine Tate to return, 2) Adding a dimension of hope to the story, that she can become awesome again in another form, and 3) Using her story to epitomize the question of the season: would the Doctor’s companions be better off having never known him?
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Why the Doctor and Rose can’t be together:
Okay, I’ve seen lots of opinions that the story is saying that the Doctor and Rose literally couldn’t be together while he’s a Time Lord and she’s a human, because of like physical, biological differences: his Time Lord brain isn’t capable of loving a human, or it would be like bestiality, or whatever. I disagree completely, and if that’s the story I thought they were telling, I’d be seriously pissed off. Anything that says “biology is destiny” just gets on my last nerve. I hate that in any form and part of why I liked the Doctor/Rose story is because it said the unlikeliest people can fall in love and bring out sides of each other that they’d never have guessed were there.
And I don’t like the idea that Rose must want to settle down, that she must want babies and a white picket fence. Rose never expresses serious interest in those things, whereas she constantly raves about how much she loves traveling and seeing the universe and being able to make a difference. The people who criticize Rose for not “getting her own life” are missing the fact that this was Rose’s life. She’s a universe-saving adventurer hero, too.
The reason I don’t think those are the story is simple: the Doctor flat out tells us why he can’t be with Rose, in “School Reunion.” Because he’ll outlive her, and he doesn’t want to watch her die.
I think he’s wrong to hold back. And I think the story presents him as wrong, because him ending up alone isn’t a good thing, and because it tells us over and over that love is worth the pain of loss, that taking risks and following your heart is worth it, even when suffering follows.
So the Doctor’s reason for not being with Rose isn’t inherent, isn’t unchangeable; it’s a choice he makes, to protect himself from getting hurt. Like
lunasky pointed out, the Doctor has been running ever since he looked into the Untempered Schism, and this is just another example. I understand why he does it, but I don’t think he’s right, and I don’t think the story is particularly saying that he’s right. It’s just saying–and showing–that he’s screwed up and lonely, and part of his problem is that he creates his own unhappiness.
And the reason human!Doctor can be with Rose when our Doctor can’t isn’t because of biology, or because Rose wants to settle down and have babies. It’s because he’s not going into the relationship with the certain knowledge that one day he’ll watch her die and have to live on for ages without her. Our Doctor can’t get over that emotional block, can’t give himself completely to a relationship with Rose, because he’s constantly bracing himself against the pain of losing her. Human!Doctor can.
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33 Responses to “Random Thoughts on “Journey’s End””
a_white_rain on July 10, 2008 8:12 pm | Link
The problem for me is that I thought for sure that a children’s show would have given me a hopeful story. So I was not expecting another finale with the Doctor fucked over more than ever. I kind of need breaks from all the angst to be really invested.
But Dalek Caan! I SO BADLY WANT TO WRITE A FIC WHERE DRU TAKES HIM AS A PET. Because I swear RTD was watching season two of Buffy when he came up with Dalek Caan. <333333333333333333333333333333333333333 I want a toy of him too.
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rusty-halo on July 10, 2008 8:17 pm | Link
YES DALEK CAAN TOYS NOW PLEASE.
I want one that giggles when you squeeze him. OMG PLEASE LET THE BBC MAKE ONE.
Please please please write the Drusilla and Dalek Caan fic!
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a_white_rain on July 10, 2008 8:18 pm | Link
I WANT TO CUDDLE THEM. AND MAKE PIC SPAMS WITH THEM AND THE ADVENTURES THEY HAVE.
It’d be set before Buffy starts and Spike would be annoyed and jealous and Dru would dress it in laces and the two of them would understand each others crazy. I THINK IT WOULD BE DELIGHTFUL.
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rusty-halo on July 10, 2008 9:23 pm | Link
Heeee. Yes. There are no words for how much I want to see Drusilla dress up Dalek Caan in one of her frilly doll’s dresses. And they will talk to each other for hours, completely riveted, as Spike gapes in utter confusion. >:)
PICSPAMS. PLEEEEASE.
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a_white_rain on July 10, 2008 9:24 pm | Link
I wish I could draw, because it would be epic and awesome. I can already see the pained expression on Spike’s face and the delight on Dru’s.
BUT I NEED A TOY DALEK. :(
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rusty-halo on July 10, 2008 10:01 pm | Link
There must be someone out there who can knit one? People in fandom knit everything. (*knows nothing about knitting*)
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a_white_rain on July 10, 2008 10:01 pm | Link
I would pay money!
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lunasky on July 10, 2008 8:33 pm | Link
What you say makes sense about the finales. I think I was expecting too much for the last show and not just enjoying the pictures on the screen.
Your comment about the Daleks reminds me of this song someone on my flist posted last year. It’s a cheesy 70’s disco song called Exterminate! (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OIK2YNWI) You have to listen to it, it’s hilarious. I can just see a big disco ball coming down in the middle of the Crucible and all the Daleks suddenly spinning around dancing. If I was in any way talented at doing vids, I would do one like that :)
Re: Rose and the Doctor not wanting to outlive her–it’s funny. He’s willing to accept (or at least he must realize by now!) that anyone that travels with him comes away with scars, and yet the idea of watching one of them die for sure is intolerable. Sometimes I think just being a Timelord must keep him awake with nightmares, though I’m sure he just runs away from those thoughts as well. :)
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rusty-halo on July 11, 2008 1:00 am | Link
Bwahaha. Dear lord, that song is disturbing. Didn’t someone make a vid where the spinning Daleks from “Journey’s End” looked like they were dancing? ‘Cause yeah, that would totally be awesome set to this.
I think the finales aren’t really directed toward the type of viewer I (and a lot of fandom) am. They’re less introspection, more explosions, but at least we’ve got the wonderful episodes that precede them. (“Midnight” is my favorite of the season, maybe of the series.)
Sometimes I think just being a Timelord must keep him awake with nightmares, though I’m sure he just runs away from those thoughts as well.
I think I’ve read that in like a hundred badfics. :P But, yeah, I know what you mean. I imagine he would have nightmares and ignore them in the light of day. What was that line in “Smith and Jones”? That the Doctor is “laughing on purpose at the darkness.” That seems to sum him up pretty well.
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katesutton on July 10, 2008 9:34 pm | Link
Dalek Caan was FREAKISHLY ADORABLE. The little waving tentacles! The giggling! There’s something wrong with me.
Our Doctor can’t get over that emotional block, can’t give himself completely to a relationship with Rose, because he’s constantly bracing himself against the pain of losing her. Human!Doctor can.
Yes, that. It disappoints me that RTD, with all his wonderfully true emotional stories, decided that the Doctor *can’t* do that, can’t stop being the lonely wanderer, but then..that’s not exactly untrue to life, is it? I just hope that Ten I can take a little solace from Rose being happy with, well, himself, somewhere instead of getting even more withdrawn.
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rusty-halo on July 10, 2008 9:58 pm | Link
Well, I don’t think the story said that the Doctor can’t do that. It just says that the Doctor doesn’t do that. Because human!Doctor enters the picture and, honestly, Rose probably is better off with him. But if he hadn’t shown up? I think she’d have talked our Doctor around eventually. Unfortunately Billie Piper couldn’t stay, and RTD loves the lonely god motif, so that didn’t happen.
And I think River Song (much as I hate how badly her character was written/performed) shows that one day he will open up again, because it’s another situation where the fear of watching her die is ameliorated (because he’s already done it). So at least he’ll get some happy time with her, and will be able to open up in a way that he usually can’t…
I just hope that Ten I can take a little solace from Rose being happy with, well, himself
Yeah, I do think that will make things a bit better. I mean, at least it’s not as bad as “Doomsday,” where his last image is of her face streaked with tears.
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katesutton on July 10, 2008 10:16 pm | Link
Oh, I don’t mean he literally cannot do that. It’s just that comments in the confidential lead me to conclude that RTD won’t write the Doctor doing that. If he won’t, I’m not sure anyone else will, either. Although who knows, maybe Moffat actually intends to write a domestic Doctor? The thought baffles me.
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rusty-halo on July 10, 2008 10:24 pm | Link
Yeah, I get that the Doctor’s an archetypal character, but even well-written archetypes go through ups and down and changes and re-imaginings. I think RTD just likes lonely god Doctor. I can’t quite imagine Moffat writing domestic Doctor–I’m expecting James Bond Doctor from him!
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Paratti on July 11, 2008 5:46 am | Link
I’m expecting relationship stuff from him. It’s what forms the backbones of his previous work in Press Gang, Coupling and Jekyll, even when there’s scary or serious stuff going on. It’s also there in his Who work with the tearjerking GITF, River’s intro and the ‘dancing’ in the WW2 eps.
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rusty-halo on July 11, 2008 11:51 am | Link
Yeah, he’s bound to do romantic stuff. I just hope his female characters will be as well-developed as the male, and will have their own character arcs that aren’t related to romance. I’m very frustrated that, while Reinette and River had some token “strong woman” qualities, their role in the story wasn’t much more than “romantic interest.”
I really love how Rose’s story was that she became a universe-saver and adventurer in her own right. She wasn’t just the Doctor’s romantic interest; she was Rose Tyler, hero of her own story.
I don’t know if Moffat will be able to keep that up, given his track record and his views on what women “really want.”
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Paratti on July 11, 2008 1:11 pm | Link
I’m not worried. Lynda Day in Press Gang is someone I’ve always loved. The silly female character in Coupling was balanced by the silly male one and his replacement and the most together character on the show and shown as such was Susan. And Gina Bellman’s character in Jekyll really stepped up as stronger than her J&H hubby.
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rusty-halo on July 10, 2008 10:26 pm | Link
And… I’m not too annoyed at the story, as long as it’s open that the Doctor could love Rose back wholeheartedly, but chooses not to. I’m okay with it being a tragedy; I think I like the lonely god thing better than you do. But I’d be really annoyed if it said he literally couldn’t (because it’s icky bestiality or heroes must always be lonely or whatever stupid reason).
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katesutton on July 10, 2008 10:51 pm | Link
Word. The lowering himself argument is nasty and the heroes thing is utterly depressing and not true. Having Ten II offer to spend his life with Rose acknowledges the fact that Ten I feels the same. Adding a bit of Donna is not going to make him suddenly love Rose Tyler in a way he didn’t before, although I am sure plenty of people are using that as a refuge. Ten *does* love her like that, but he turns away from it, as he does from the comfort the rest of his extended companion family could give him. His choice.
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JayDK on July 10, 2008 10:06 pm | Link
I don’t think the show is necessarily defining the Doctor’s decision as wrong — because the choice he makes isn’t solely to protect himself but also to give Rose something she can’t ever have with him. If the Doctor had chosen to commit to a relationship with Rose, then she wouldn’t have a chance for a fully shared life that she does with alt!Doctor, who can give her something that the Doctor can’t — aging together, spending a life together.
I think the show doesn’t define the Doctor’s choice as right or wrong, just as we don’t know for sure whether alt!Doctor and Rose will indeed be happy together or not. It’s left ambiguous and for the audience to decide, which is very characteristic of Who storytelling and one of the things I really like.
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rusty-halo on July 10, 2008 10:12 pm | Link
Yeah, I agree that it’s ambiguous. I’m just thinking it about it one way because the other way annoys me.
It pretty much undercuts everything I liked about the Doctor’s side of the Doctor/Rose relationship, that he was learning to love despite the potential for loss, if the answer is just to send her off to an AU with a clone. I’d rather think of it as “he was supposed to learn that and failed” than “never mind that theme, we left it in season two.”
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JayDK on July 10, 2008 10:44 pm | Link
I see what the Doctor does as both a choice made out of fear and a choice made out of love — and the love aspect redeems it for me. I suppose the reason it doesn’t bother me is that I don’t think the Doctor would have made the same choice if alt!Doctor wasn’t an available option. It’s only because he saw a chance for Rose to have more than he could offer that he did what he did. But it doesn’t seem like a complete stumbling block to me, since I doubt there’s going to be another alt!Doctor created the next time the Doctor falls in love to resolve the relationship (and the fact that the actress in question is not sticking around).
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rusty-halo on July 10, 2008 11:01 pm | Link
I see what the Doctor does as both a choice made out of fear and a choice made out of love
I agree, it’s both, definitely. Although it’s a weird kind of selfless/selfish love. Because he doesn’t let her make her own choice, doesn’t respect how much time and space and being there to hold his hand matters to her, doesn’t talk it out with her, doesn’t give her a chance to say a proper goodbye. I realize a lot of this is because it’s too painful and he just wanted to get the hell out of there, but frankly I think he owed it to her, to hear her out, after she crossed universes to get to him.
But yes, it’s also selfless. Because he sees a way for her to be happy and he knows it’ll cost him, but he gives it to her anyway. Because he could’ve easily just left the human Doctor in the AU and continued on with Rose, but he sees that she’ll ultimately be happier this way, and his human version will be happy, and he’s the one who’ll suffer. And he sees his purpose as taking all the pain onto himself.
And also, I guess for me that fact that it’s out of love doesn’t redeem it entirely. Because there was that whole theme of him needing to open up despite the pain and that was kind of just dropped, and I prefer to think of it as not dropped but that his fear of loss and belief that he destroys his companions got the better of him. Because Rose was right there, and he loves her so much, and just, y’know, he could’ve so easily had years of happiness with her, and it’s like that doesn’t even weigh into his decision, because he knows it’ll be followed by loss and thinks it’s not even worth it.
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JayDK on July 10, 2008 11:56 pm | Link
I know we’re beating this to death, but the way I see it, it’s not that the years of happiness he could have with Rose don’t matter to the Doctor, but the lifetime of happiness she could have with alt!Doctor, including growing old together, matter more. Again, if alt!Doctor wasn’t an option, I think Rose would be in the TARDIS right now (setting aside real-life actor issues, natch).
Although it’s funny — as much as RTD et al go on about the Doctor as the Lonely God, what all this heartbreaking tragedy really comes down to mostly is that the actors in question wanted to leave the show. If we just got a set of actors playing the Doctor and the Companion who simultaneously stayed for more than a single series, the Lonely God wouldn’t be so lonely after all ;-). Of course, with my luck, that’ll be River Song (yuck).
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katesutton on July 10, 2008 10:47 pm | Link
I do think there’s a measure both of self-interest and self-sacrifice in Ten I’s behavior. He’s giving Rose up and of course that hurts him. I do think she might settle for the adventure and the friendship, at least for a time and that would make him happy. He also knows that Ten II can give her expressed love and an entire lifetime in a way he can’t and he wants her to be happy, if that’s what she wants. On the other hand, he doesn’t want to see her age and die. Understandable, but it’s not right of him to not allow her to make her own choice, free of his interference(although I will maintain, she *did* make a choice by turning to the Ten who would say the words, by even asking that question).
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JayDK on July 10, 2008 11:47 pm | Link
Yeah, I think that’s a significant part of the equation: Rose insists that the Doctor answer the question, showing that naturally enough, hearing him say I love you does matter very much to her. And when he won’t, Rose turns to alt!Doctor and gives him a chance — and Rose kisses alt!Doctor when he does say it. In some ways, Rose *is* taking what the Doctor is offering her in alt!Doctor.
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txvoodoo on July 11, 2008 12:10 am | Link
The bit about Donna? YES. YES. AND YES.
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rusty-halo on July 11, 2008 1:03 am | Link
Thanks. :)
I can understand being hurt by what happens to her, but claiming that RTD only did it to punish the character and her fans? That’s being willfully obtuse.
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txvoodoo on July 11, 2008 1:03 am | Link
AND very entitlement speshul snowflake-ish ;)
“It’s all about MEEEEE!”
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rusty-halo on July 11, 2008 11:00 am | Link
Entitlement: the defining trait of Doctor Who fandom. :P
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trepkos on July 11, 2008 3:11 am | Link
“can’t give himself completely to a relationship with Rose, because he’s constantly bracing himself against the pain of losing her. Human!Doctor can.”
Does he not realise that humans in long-term relationships have to constantly brace themselves against the pain of losing their partners? It’s worse for us, because we might be old when lose our partner.
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rusty-halo on July 11, 2008 11:43 am | Link
I know. But we at least can live with the hope that we’ll spend a lifetime together and die at about the same time. He knows that he’s almost certainly going to have to live on for centuries without her. How can he invest himself completely in a life with her knowing that one day he’ll lose it? The more his identity and happiness get tied up with Rose, the more broken he’ll be when she dies. And yet he’ll have to put himself back together and move forward. :(
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Circe on July 11, 2008 3:15 am | Link
The first section of your post is spot on — I think what ruined his season finales for me thought was Parting of the Ways, which managed to be both intimate and epic, action and character driven all at once.
But he was able to do that only because Season 1 was wholly self-contained. The other seasons couldn’t be self-contained, they had to feed the next. Also ratings runaway success. Also he got a little giddy (cybermen V. daleks, fanboy splooge)!
If I can add another episode train to the great list you provided — Boom Town, bleeding into Bad Wolf bleeding into Parting of the Ways. The last time the companions all worked together — and they were fantastic. To me, that’s the Rose/Jack goodbye, that 3 episode arc. They said goodbye and explained everything that needed to be said — there’s nothing that Rose could add to the “Jack is immortal” convo — the Doctor had that convo with him already.
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rusty-halo on July 11, 2008 11:58 am | Link
Good point! I was thinking of season one, but well, to be honest I haven’t watched that one nearly as much. And I think I was drunk off my ass both times I watched it all the way through. :P
But yeah, that season is far more self-contained, and they’re able to fit a lot more character stuff into that finale. But they also have far fewer characters and issues to juggle.
The fanboy thing is the part of fandom I’ll never get. The “OH MY GOD! CYBERMEN ARE THE COOLEST THING EVER!!” idea is just… my brain doesn’t fit around it. But that’s okay… lots of people like it and at least there’s still some character stuff for me. :)
You’re right about “Boom Town” leading up to the S1 finale. And that there’s nothing Rose could add to the Jack convo–if they’d put that in “Journey’s End,” it would just be a rehash of “Utopia,” with some gaping from Rose. :P
And fandom also keeps complaining that we didn’t get a Rose/Mickey goodbye scene in “Journey’s End.” Dude, we got like five of them throughout the series. Do we really need another? We all know what they’d say.
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